Welcome back to the final chapter of our deep dive into the ICP and Twiztid beef. In Part 4, we covered how the conflict went public through interviews, diss tracks, and fan reactions, dividing the Juggalo community. Now, we shift to the present and focus on a controversy that continues to fuel the divide: Twiztid’s merchandise moves and how they’ve carried forward projects originally built with ICP—like Dark Lotus and The Rydas—for their own benefit.
These actions have left fans frustrated, further deepening the split in Juggalo culture.
Dark Lotus Light: Missing the Heart
One of the most iconic collaborations in Juggalo history was Dark Lotus. Formed by ICP, Twiztid, Blaze, ABK, Dark Lotus was a supergroup that embodied mystery, darkness, and unity. Albums like Tales from the Lotus Pod and Black Rain weren’t just music—they were sacred to Juggalos. Dark Lotus represented a time when ICP and Twiztid were at their creative peak, working together as brothers to create something unique.
However, in recent years, Twiztid has gone on to perform Dark Lotus songs without ICP, branding these performances as their own. Fans have taken to calling this version “Dark Lotus Light”, highlighting what’s missing: ICP’s involvement and the unity that once made Dark Lotus special.
To many Juggalos, these performances feel hollow. Dark Lotus was never meant to be a Twiztid-only act; it was a creation of Psychopathic Records, and every member’s presence was essential to its magic. By continuing to perform these songs, Twiztid is seen as profiting off a shared legacy while ignoring what the group originally stood for.
The Rydas: A Stolen Concept
Another fan-favorite project created under Psychopathic Records was the Psychopathic Rydas. The Rydas were a beat-jacking, gangsta rap supergroup featuring ICP, Twiztid, and other Psychopathic artists. Known for their gritty, no-frills style, the Rydas were beloved for being a fun, unapologetic side project that let the artists experiment with a different sound.
Now, Twiztid has gone on to perform as the Rydas under Majik Ninja Entertainment (MNE)—but without ICP or the other original Psychopathic artists. For many fans, this feels like a direct rip-off of an idea that wasn’t solely Twiztid’s to claim. The Rydas were created as a Psychopathic Records project, a product of ICP and Twiztid’s collaboration.
To ICP loyalists, Twiztid performing as the Rydas without ICP is more than just a business move—it’s a betrayal. The music and legacy of the Rydas were built on unity, and Twiztid’s actions feel like they’re erasing ICP’s contributions to the project while profiting off their shared history.
Merch Moves: The Serial Killaz Rip-Off
Twiztid’s merch decisions have only added fuel to the fire. A standout example is the release of Twiztid’s “Serial Killaz” shirt, which bears a striking resemblance to an iconic ICP shirt that was sold in malls during ICP’s rise in the late ‘90s and early 2000s.
The original ICP design featured bold, clean lettering that simply read “Insane Clown Posse”—a design that became a staple of Juggalo fashion. Twiztid’s “Serial Killaz” shirt mimics this exact style, leading many fans to call it an obvious rip-off of ICP’s work.
For Juggalos who grew up with the original shirt, Twiztid’s version feels disrespectful, as if they’re profiting off ICP’s creative history rather than building their own. This, combined with the Dark Lotus Light performances and Rydas shows, paints a picture of Twiztid leaning heavily on ICP’s legacy instead of creating something fresh and unique.
Reflecting on the Legacy of the Beef
At the end of the day, one thing is undeniable: there would be no Twiztid without ICP.
ICP didn’t just give Twiztid their name—Violent J literally came up with it. ICP gave Twiztid everything they needed to succeed:
- A blueprint for how to dominate the underground music scene.
- A platform on their tours and shows to get Twiztid in front of Juggalos.
- Merchandising, branding, and a built-in fanbase that was ready to embrace them as family.
Everything Twiztid has today stems from the opportunities ICP gave them. Now, Twiztid acts like they created it all on their own—ignoring the foundation ICP laid for them and erasing the very people who made their success possible.
This isn’t just about music or merchandise—it’s about respect. The legacy ICP and Twiztid built together could’ve been something Juggalos celebrated forever. Instead, it’s become a constant reminder of how far the family has fallen apart.
No matter which side of the fence you’re on, the story of ICP and Twiztid is one of loyalty, betrayal, and legacy. While both groups continue to thrive in their own lanes, the divide they created in Juggalo culture will be felt for generations to come.
